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PROLOGUE.... ABOUT THIS SITE OUR STORY MOB VETERAN'S FORUM PERSONAL PAGES & PHOTOS NEW PHOTOS & POSTS REUNION LINKS
"These guys were airmen living a soldier's life at remote air strips deep in the VC-infested jungle... " Since we were all volunteers, and since not all volunteers were accepted, and since many times the 'volunteers' where chosen to join MOB by existing members, we were also known as "The Chosen Few" 8th APS MOB TEAM AT WORK Welcome to
8thMOB.org See the new MOB patch
(reproduction of the original circa 1971) soon to be available to interested Mobility Operations Veterans (& their friends and family).
F4 Crew Chief Receives Purple Heart 39 years after being wounded at TSN during Tet mortar attacks. Things are heating up in the debate over Iraq, Iran, Afganistan & Pakistan. This time, opposition to the war is not coming from liberal college campuses, but from veterans themselves. Iraq-theatre Veterans are coming home and some of them are disappointed in the Bush Administration (who's not?) VoteVets.org has been created to represent, inform and influence Veterans Take a look.
Note
our new domain name: Now this site can be reached at http://8thMob.org
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Our
Unit; Our History in Vietnam
The 8th Aerial Port Squadron, was a squadron of the 834th Air Division, USAF, with headquarters at 377th Combat Support Group's Tan Son Nhut Airbase*. 8th APS was responsible for tactical airlift aerialport support throughout southern South Vietnam. 8th APS supplied the teams that loaded and unloaded the planes that carried personnel and cargo into, out of and throughout the countryside of the southern areas of Vietnam. It's headquarters was at the Tan Son Nhut airfield in Saigon, former capital of South Vietnam. Although now officially known as "Ho Chi Minh City", it is - and will likely be forever - recognized as "Saigon". *(Note
from our
Guestbook
- ref Sam McGowan) 8th
Aerial Port wasn't
always
under the 377th Combat Support Group. Originally, it was organized
under
the 315th Air Division and the Second ADVON. When 834th Air Division
activated
under Seventh Air Force in August 1966, 8th Aerial Port fell under it,
along with the 315th Air Commando Group. *Webmaster note: When this site began, I'd
been pretty much out of touch with other MOB team members for about
thirty years, so it was based mostly upon my own recollections of 1970.
As the site has grown, it's collected comments, information, photos and
stories from MOB members, as well as the loadmasters, pilots, Special
Forces and US Army members we worked with . This is not "my" website,
it's "our" website and grows in meaning and value because of the
contributions of all readers and friends. Although the 8th Aerial Port handled all cargo and passenger traffic at "the world's busiest airport" (Tan Son Nhut Airbase in Saigon), it also included a lesser known special organization known as "Dets & OL's" - Detachments and Operating Locations - which included 8th APS' Mobility Operations, which we simply called "The MOB teams". Detachments ("Dets") typically included 6-10 men stationed at larger US Army base camps with runways, running water and sufficient need to justify a full-time USAF presence to handle passenger and cargo traffic at more or less permanent bases. 8th APS had permanent detachments at Bien Hoa, Tay Ninh, Song Be, Quan Loi, Phuc Vinh and other bases to the north of Saigon as well as Can Tho, Binh Thuy and other bases deeper in the delta.
Caribou
Pilot Ken Fillmore's Photo of the Djamap Airstrip, along the Cambodian
border in 1970
Djamap, aka "FSB Snuffy" to the Army, was a frequent operating location for 8th MOB teams. (from the C7Caribou Association website). |
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8th APS MOB Veterans First
Reunion - 2005
We got together again...
Washington, DC - September 24, 2005 -
at The Wall
Panel of Ssgt Webb Layton KIA Bu Dop, Vietnam, December, 1969 We met at 12:00 noon. And it was a very special meeting.... Last spring, long-lost MOB Team member Jim Wade tracked us down via this website. (The last time I had seen Jim was in 1970 when we was very, very short and we were defusing left-behind frag grenades at Duc Phong.) In April, my wife and I met up with Jim and his wife at a coffee shop in the Shenandoah Valley. It was great to see Jim - after more than 30 years - and many miles, pounds and gray hairs. But, I recognized Jim immediately by his confident swaggering walk - and his bright, somewhat devilish smile. After a hour's animated conversation, it appeared that he really hadn't changed a bit! He suggested at that time he, Sgt. Neil Brown and myself (the only three MOB Team members we were in direct contact with at the time) should meet for an informal reunion at Web Layton's panel on the wall. Ssgt. Web Layton was a Mob Team member KIA during an attack at Bu Dop in December, 1969. As it turned out, we were joined by Steve Carlson, who had been at one of our Dets as well as our Captain "Raging Ray" Rubel, now a "Retired Air Force" officer, who we remembered well from his youth as the dashing, gun-toting OIC of the 8th APS MOB... photos to follow... Since then, through the diligent efforts of retired MSgt Jim Wade, we have turned up more of the team. So. Plans are under way for a next reunion. Very informal, just a group of (now old) Mob Team Vets getting together to prove to ourselves that we really did survive... and continue to. Thanks to
all who joined
us.
Watch here for future plans. View the guestbook. Watch here for info on getting an 8th MOB hat. |
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This
site is dedicated to those airmen who participated in
Aerial Port Mobility Operations throughout Vietnam, during time of conflict, and salutes those who carry on the tradition of the original 8th Aerialport MOB in the Mobility Airlift Command units of today's Air Force. There is no doubt about it. Since our mission included tactical airlift support in areas which could not be easily - or safely - reached by road, since many of our missions were classified as "Combat Emergency" and each takeoff and landing was counted as a "Combat Assault", and since many of our men were wounded - and some died - by enemy fire, and we were often targeted specifically as we worked our aircraft, and since we were armed and equipped and actively contributed to camp defense and often spent days and nights - and sometimes weeks - with the Army in their little jungle firebases and with The Special Forces in their jungle camps, Mobility Operations was quite close to combat, and by no means the typical 'safe' rear-echelon sort of Air Force assignment. For that matter, many of the Detachments experienced just as many attacks as we did in the field. That's why they call this "Combat Airlift". And we were all volunteers, proud to be part of - and accepted by - our Mob Teams. According to documents published by Maxwell AFB, official doctrine was as defined below: "Air transport in major warfare should be used when practical for the supply of combat units, for evacuation, and for emergency troop movements... That's what we did. Our equipment included just about everything required to create an 'instant cargo center' in the jungle - 10-thousand-pound-capacity Adverse Terrain Forklifts - the famous "10k AT", designed specifically for missions such as ours, the smaller "6k RT" Rough Terrain forklift, the PRC-25 "portable" radios and our personal gear - M16's for the team members, plus revolvers for the team chiefs, as well as other weapons collected in our travels... and, of course, the ubiquitous military clip board - although maintaining paper records was always a challenge under our working conditions... In both cases, the planes handled by these 8th APS teams typically included C-7 Caribous of the USAF, US Army Special Forces, and the Australian AAF, USAF C-123s based within Vietnam and many C-130's manned by crews based outside of Vietnam, but on 30-day rotating tours "in country". We also occasionally handled - and traveled in - CH-46 Cargo helicopters of the US Army. Sometimes, our teams had to be transported - or evacuated - by UH-1b "Huey" choppers as well. These locations were typically at remote Special Forces camps or 1st Cav artillery bases, although the 8th Mob also supported the Vietnamese & U.S. Marine Corps at times, and some Mob team members received commendations from the U.S. and Vietnamese Marine Corps. The Special Forces camps at Bu Dop, Tonle Cham, Katum, Rang Rang and others along the Cambodian border were frequently visited by the MOB teams for 1-3 day stays. U.S. Army Fire Support Bases such as Bu Gia Map (FSB Snuffy, aka Djampa on Air Force maps) and others were also familar to these traveling freight handlers. While much of the time, things were quiet and the only dangers were accidents, sunburn, heat exhaustion, homesickness and malaria, there were also many times when the Viet Cong added to the danger and attacked these teams at work.
- Alan Runfeldt, USAF 1968-72, Vietnam 1970, Thailand, 1971. Note:
The
above accounts
are personal recollections (after 30 years) of one Mob Team member. We
welcome your comments, additions and corrections. See our "Personal Pages" links below for member's
own stories. Photos
- we
need photos
- of any of the places mentioned within these pages. Photos of the
places
we worked at provide a verifiable link between our often-fogged
memories
and the reality of our lives 30 years ago. Thank you for any photos you
can provide us with. Please contact the webmaster via the guestbook or by using this secure message form. |
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sites which
may be of interest to 8thAPS veterans:
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MAPS:
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a Thanksgiving Day Song of the 60's...
for those of you who remember a song from long ago.... a special song... Arlo Guthrie's Alices Restaurant (30 years later) (mpg file) listen and enjoy, compliments of The 8th MOB Teams Check our ASK3 survey results - 8thmob.org ~ NoDeadlines.com/vietnam Please contact the webmaster via the guestbook or by using this secure message form. last updated Nov 23, 2006 Last Googled 11/6/2006 |